No no no HOW AND WHY DID THEY INSERT THAT GOD FORSAKEN WALL MARKET THEME INTO THIS GAME
This made me laugh. My dad has been in absolute rage mode over this minigame (and most of the others) and finally beat the first round of it yesterday. I havenāt played the game myself, but my main takeaway is that it has a lot of moments and side quests that serve little purpose outside of padding an already insanely long game.
I am by no means a hater though. Iāve seen some moments that look truly magical, but I do hope the third part in this series is a more compact experience.
For me the original FF7 seemed to have some unique control scheme or minigame every other story beat. Iāll never forget the fact that one of the first things you do after THAT moment is control Cloud snowboarding down a mountain. I think Rebirth is in keeping with the spirit of the original with all the minigames so far (only at Junon)
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lol yeah, makes me think of this video:
I personally thought the minigames looked fun (I played the higher difficulty Brawler fights for my dad and enjoyed them), but I get why some people donāt like them, especially if youāve got slow reflexes. Iām sure the next game wonāt be as jam packed with them so I can see that one appealing to more people in that regard.
I have (embarrassingly) never finished the original FF7, I think I stopped just after the Cosmo Canyon bit, Iāll probably get back to it after I finish FF6.
I just got to this part with the gym yesterday and managed OK, but the last one with Jules was ridiculous, took me 30 mins to beat it but I did it although I was tearing my hair out at the pressure-sensitive sections, had 3 occasions where I was one away and was positive that I did it correctly and it didnāt register. Also if you have Tifa in a certain outfit the jiggle physics are quite something to behold!
Also I was in love with the Costa del Sol theme. Maybe itās just me but I find playing this so incredibly relaxing (which is odd for a JRPG). Well apart from those crunches.
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Having recently completed The Witcher 3, I found myself drawn to the dark and mature storytelling of Final Fantasy XVIās demo. The combat feels smooth, the story deep ā itās a captivating medieval RPG saga thatās calling my name. Time to bid farewell to reality and embrace this fantasy adventure!
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I loved the XVI demo, just wish the combat felt a bit more challenging in the main game. Still loved it though.
How is everyone getting on with Rebirth? Iām about 40hrs in which is massive for me, and Iām on Chapter 9 at Gongaga. Really loving it. Leelee even likes watching me play it, I canāt explain why but I find playing it very relaxing. Not the usual JRPG experience as I hardly ever feel that from them but I love it. The open world stuff is a bit crappy and the completionist in me makes me want to do a lot of it but I donāt mind it, normally spend one session getting a heap done and then thereās no more for a while.
Also I adore all the character relationships and how theyāve been treated, I mean really it could have been so easy to mess this aspect of the remakes up but itās been so good. In particular though I love Cloud and Tifaās relationship and how it has been dealt with.
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One of those perfect demos imo, pulls you into the story so perfectly and the extra challenge really gives you a taste of what the combat is all about.
I found some of the hunts reasonably challenging on the normal difficulty. Iād like to go back to it on Final Fantasy mode at some point-but I always say that about games Iāve beaten lol.
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Iām playing on Dynamic difficulty and canāt really tell what itās doing. I know itās supposed to scale enemies with you? So bosses have actually been getting a little more challenging as Iāve progressed which has felt weird as it feels a bit like my higher levelling and new abilities arenāt making much of a difference in comparison to older ones.
IĀ“ve reached Costa Del Sol, but went back to Junon to do some cardgames and buy/win the good cards that I ignored before.
Really annoyed by the Fort Condor game now, which actually used to be fun in YuffieĀ“s Intergrade missionsā¦ Just to get a protorelic. Feels like thereĀ“s like 70% filler and 30% story in this game, but I donĀ“t want to complain. Still love you, FF7.
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Finally finished Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. Hard to put thoughts into words following the credits given that there is so much going on, but Iāll try my best. Spoilers ahead for the end of the game.
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So ultimately, I feel both extremely satisfied and extremely frustrated in equal measure. There is absolutely a 10/10 GOAT of a game tucked away in here, but itās saddled with excessive bloat and crushingly, Iām on the side of the fence that feels that alterations to the story have been glaringly mishandled.
I finished Remake in 2020 hesitant, yet optimistic as to what direction the story would go in, but I do now wish that these games had simply been a beat-for-beat retelling of the original story. I canāt knock Squareās ambition, but ultimately, theyāve opted for Kingdom Hearts-esque nonsense thatās convoluted, confusing and superfluous. In particular, Aerithās death is suffocated by the lack of clarity in what theyāre trying to do. The confusion as to whether sheās actually dead or not whilst the game clumsily dances around the concept of the merging of the timelines is egregious, and by the time the game clarifies that Aerith is in fact dead (following multiple boss fights with multiple stages including cameos from Zack and Aerithās spirit), the moment is lost and the gut wrenching sadness of her 1997 death is never recaptured. Part 3 will inevitably burrow down this multiple timeline rabbit hole further, but with the most captivating moment of the original being what it is in Rebirth, I canāt say that my enthusiasm for the story going forward has been heightened.
The game is also simply too long. Sure, some may find value in the dozens of mini-games and hundreds of collectibles padding out proceedings to over the 100 hour mark, but I canāt say that I find this bloat to enhance the game in any meaningful way. Finding lifesprings in order to discover lore on the region, and finding crystals to make a VR fight with a summon slightly easier is not fun, and the verticality of many of the locations and how mountainous they are make actually reaching these locations a nightmare. Gongaga is an absolutely shitshow of a labyrinthian nightmare, and the roundabout way you need to reach certain areas is not obvious and extremely frustrating. The protorelic quests are also massively annoying. Half of the mini-games are not fun (Fort Condor, Cactuar Crush and Gears & Gambits can absolutely get in the bin), and Chadleyās constant piping up every 10 seconds to reel off inane drivel at Cloud is irritating enough to rival Navi from Ocarina of Time. And sure, these are easily ignored, but aside from the threat of missing out on some pretty cool materia and/or accessories, thereās also an extremely cool optional super-boss locked behind the protorelic sidequests. Gilgamesh is genuinely one of the highlights of the game, and it kind of sucks that such brilliant content is locked behind something so monotonous and frustrating. Also; fuck the part where you have to play as Cait Sith in Shinra Manor. What an absolute chore.
Obviously there are many positives here. Itās easy to focus on the negatives because expectations are so high given how beloved both the 1997 original and 2020 remake were, and therefore itās easy to lament on the fact that it wasnāt the 10/10 all-timer that I wanted it to be. Firstly, the relationships between the characters are great. With the exception of Cait Sith (fuck Cait Sith), every character provides something in value both from a storytelling and a gameplay perspective. I enjoyed the majority of interactions between them, the dialogue is mostly very good (albeit often cheesy) and the characters grow in an impactful, organic way. Aerith is great as expected, but Tifa, Barret and Red all have moments too. I expect Vincent will be excellent in the next game.
Secondly, the combat is super slick. Itās challenging (and Iām not ashamed to say that I eventually reduced the difficulty to easy, but I donāt hold that against the game), but thereās a wealth of components combined to really flesh out what you can do in combat. Thereās real-time skill and reflexes required, but also an array of abilities that can damage, buff, stagger or heal, and each party member is unique in how they operate. Thereās also a boatload of materia, armour (which can be enhanced) and accessories to play around with, so each character is somewhat customisable in terms of what specific role you want from them in combat.
Lastly, every area is fucking beautiful. The design team went to town on this game, because every lived-in locale is a joy to explore, and every explorable region (navigation issues aside) has its own unique look and stands out against the rest of the world. Kalm, Junon, Costa Del Sol, Gongaga, Cosmo Canyon, Nibelheim and the Temple of the Ancients are all some of the best designed areas in games Iāve ever seen, and the fact all of them reside in a single video game is nothing short of astonishing.
Also, Queenās Blood rules. Itās the one mini-game I was happy to sink loads of time into. Itās surprisingly fleshed out, all things considered. Thereās a lot of options in terms of how you can win a match, and therefore how you build your deck. Addictive as shit too. Put it right up with with Gwent and Triple Triad in terms of card based mini-games.
8/10
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How did you guys end up getting on with your dates in the game? Did you make any particular attempts to lean one way or another with certain characters or just let it flow naturally? Will spoiler tag for anyone not there yet (especially since Iām only at the final part of this at 75hrs in).
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I ended up getting Tifa in both Chapter 8 and 12. I didnāt actually realise that Chapter 8 counted as a date technically until looking into the details of it all now, thought her heading out with him was just a standard scene. Didnāt do anything in particular to try to lean any way with anyone but I was surprised by the ending of it (seems like this is impacted by the level of the relationship but they kissed in this one so it must have been very high).
On my first VII playthrough I chose Aerith, and I also ended up choosing her in both of my later playthroughs too despite feeling like itās not really the right thing to do once you find out the truth about Cloud in the OG game and the implications that has to have had on their connection. Still, Iāve always felt at that point in time for both of them and how things eventually go with Aerith that itās the most fitting thing.
This time around especially with the extra layers of Cloud and Tifaās relationship that we get to see, I felt like it might be more fitting for him to be with her instead. But in the build up towards the date section and seeing him look at her before he goes to bed that night, I still simultaneously actually feel a genuine bit of sadness that I didnāt get Aerith lol. The things this series does to me.
Iām definitely going to enjoy seeing all the different scenes with each character in the chapter select section once I finish the game.
Finally finished Rebirth, had to leave that last chapter for nearly 2 weeks I think once I finally got through Chapter 13 with the way my work hours went.
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Last part of the game is pretty weirdly paced, one of the longest dungeons ever in Chapter 13 followed by Chapter 14 which throws you straight into the end but itās a boss battle that is like 6 or 7 boss battles at once taking nearly 90 mins to do with no restarts? Seems like a lot of other people had issues with that end part of the gauntlet, I managed to finish the whole thing in one go. Reminds me a bit of the OG which was my first older FF game, I got to the end gauntlet and didnāt realise and I hadnāt saved for 2 hours while I tried to find it. I placed the save point stupidly at the beginning, and knew I should have backtracked to save for my own sake, but I love the rare opportunity to keep the narrative pace flowing naturally so I went along with it and managed to beat the whole thing. Definitely one of my better achievements in a game given I hadnāt played an old-school JRPG before!
Did really hope weād get to actually go around The Forgotten Capital chasing Aerith with that incredibly haunting theme playing, even if it was just a linear section with no battles it would have been perfect. Didnāt love the changes to the ending, I saw it coming from a few chapters back but still wish we got a meaningful ending with Aerith, it was so weirdly rushed and brushed over to shoehorn in a Sephiroth battle, and I get needing to do that to finish off this part and the game but even after it it was like none of the others got to even say goodbye to her? Not sure going so big on the Sephiroth battle made sense either because theyāre going to have to go even bigger for the final part of the remake, this looked exactly like Bizarro Sephiroth from the end of the original so maybe theyāll just go with the Safer Sephiroth design?
Anyway I did really enjoy the game and still have some bits to do including Gilgamesh and definitely want to do some of the other Golden Saucer dates (although I wish I could skip the whole Loveless part).
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Question for those of you that have finished Rebirth. Can you finish remaining side quests after the last chapter? Or per chapter? IĀ“m coming up to the end of the story (at least I think so since I know what happens next storywise) and I have a few quests left.
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Yeah you can. Thereās one late one that I still havenāt done thatās available for me to do, in fact apart from sidequests Iāve left a lot of stuff until postgame like VR battles and colosseum battles which Iām very slowly doing. Think some of it depends on chapter selection and which one youāre on but itās all there.
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Cool, cheers mate. I just want to proceed with the story at this point. I have A LOT of the VR missions still to do, haha. Just did the ones that has useful materia like Elemental and skipped the rest.
I literally didnāt do a single VR Mission because I hate that Chadley prick, until fairly late on when the only summons I had were the bonus ones from pre-ordering the game and the completed saves from Remake and Intermission.
Iāve actually found doing all these fights pretty fun though. I thought there was no chance Iād do any of this after finishing the game but Iām actually liking it so much that I may consider going for the platinum, but only if I can get everything done before I do Hard mode so I can get that one last trophy by simply doing a playthrough and enjoy the story again without any diversions. Although there are certain minigames Iām absolutely dreading trying to get the high score on. But I almost have the colosseum fights done and only have basic VR stuff left so itāll come sooner rather than later!
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Good luck to you. I took one look at the trophy list and bailed so hard.
I probably still will but Iām nearly at 110 hours and am doing stuff now that feels fun. Beating the final quest doesnāt feel like that nor do a lot of very particular minigames Iāll have to do on hard difficulty but Iāll try use a guide where I can if I go with them. Might have another detailed look at that list though.
It turns out that I am going for this platinum. That last piano track I had to do was difficult but I got it done. Actually had lots of fun trying to play the bonus one you get for getting A rank on the first 6 (Let The Battles Begin!), itās so damn fast but itās given me the itch to try playing piano again, felt fun given I didnāt have to complete it but managed to get A rank on it.
Got the first two Brutal VR challenges done. I know the Legendary ones will be a massive pain because theyāre solo but Iām actually still enjoying doing this. I do really hate the cactuar challenges alongside that robot one. Iām just using a guide for those.